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		<title>By: cengiz</title>
		<link>http://fredandrandall.com/blog/2012/03/10/its-not-a-talent-shortage-its-a-hiring-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-17846</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[here in australia its not any better
i have an IT degree from university but i&#039;m not getting hired because i have no experience. Makes it feel like all that time studying was a waste of time and all i got out of it was a debt to the government. Over 20k]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in australia its not any better<br />
i have an IT degree from university but i&#8217;m not getting hired because i have no experience. Makes it feel like all that time studying was a waste of time and all i got out of it was a debt to the government. Over 20k</p>
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		<title>By: Max Chiodo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Chiodo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the point of this article is that the interview process is broken at most big tech companies. On this point I have to agree. The best predictor of future professional success is one&#039;s history of professional achievements. I really do not believe you can decide whether a person is the right choice based on an an hour or so of white board coding which is NOT how the work is done in the real world anyway. For one thing, many people,  myself included, suffer from major interview anxiety and can&#039;t see or think straight in that kind of setting. Companies complain that talent is not there. In my experience, the reality is that the interview process funnel is simply leaving out a lot of very qualified people. Of course if they are as big as Google or Amazon, they can afford to play the odds, leave behind some good people, hire someone who interview well but will not perform well on the job, and still on average end up with a decent workforce. Fair enough. But stop whining about the talent shortage please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point of this article is that the interview process is broken at most big tech companies. On this point I have to agree. The best predictor of future professional success is one&#8217;s history of professional achievements. I really do not believe you can decide whether a person is the right choice based on an an hour or so of white board coding which is NOT how the work is done in the real world anyway. For one thing, many people,  myself included, suffer from major interview anxiety and can&#8217;t see or think straight in that kind of setting. Companies complain that talent is not there. In my experience, the reality is that the interview process funnel is simply leaving out a lot of very qualified people. Of course if they are as big as Google or Amazon, they can afford to play the odds, leave behind some good people, hire someone who interview well but will not perform well on the job, and still on average end up with a decent workforce. Fair enough. But stop whining about the talent shortage please.</p>
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		<title>By: 不是缺少人才，而是面试过程有问题 - 博客 - 伯乐在线</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[不是缺少人才，而是面试过程有问题 - 博客 - 伯乐在线]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 原文：fredandrandall   编译：伯乐在线 &#8211; 唐小娟 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: isomorphismes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isomorphismes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeffrey Erickson: That is a great argument for assigning problems for groups to figure out in &quot;hard sciences&quot; education. In my experience we were taught to suffer alone -- asking for help in figuring out a maths problem is &quot;cheating&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey Erickson: That is a great argument for assigning problems for groups to figure out in &#8220;hard sciences&#8221; education. In my experience we were taught to suffer alone &#8212; asking for help in figuring out a maths problem is &#8220;cheating&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: isomorphismes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isomorphismes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that if I&#039;m qualified to work at Microsoft, I&#039;m qualified to work anywhere&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely you mean &quot;within a certain subfield&quot;. Do you think you&#039;re qualified to captain a boat? Or work on an oil rig?




&lt;blockquote&gt;hiring problem&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Two thoughts.

One: if you read Hacker News, you saw Dominic Connor&#039;s piece in the Telegraph, linked last week. I clicked thru to his other Telegraph pieces after that; he admits that HR people at large banks do not know about IT; they look up questions online and try to spot liars. They see their job as &quot;protecting management&quot; from those whose CV&#039;s had the right keywords but were just lying. Obviously the system underlying all of that is not meant to deal with individual candidates with unique traits; it views candidates as a mass of keywords and valued norms (such as &quot;continuous employment at increasing levels of seniority&quot;) and then adds on a crude filter. Welcome to large organisations.

The second is something I noticed in myself years ago and that I continue to notice in graduates. The messages one gets in school are largely incompatible with what employers want. Studying hard, identification with the subject matter one has struggled with (who in business has any idea what it means to hire someone from low-dimensional topology versus a harmonic analyst?), and information about &quot;the real world&quot; coming from journalistic publications (hype) rather than careerists &lt;i&gt;in situ&lt;/i&gt; (good information) all had a deleterious effect on my early career.


&lt;blockquote&gt;unfair&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s not really the company&#039;s problem, is it? Say you were running a business, are you going to hand out charity jobs because it&#039;s the nice thing to do? Or are you trying to solve your own problems.


&lt;blockquote&gt;contracting&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree, this sounds like a great idea. But maybe there&#039;s some reason HR doesn&#039;t do it so often. I remember one firm that was iffy about me wanted to do a contract job to start, but neither I nor the hiring manager could figure out a short-term intersection between my skills and the company&#039;s needs &#8212; I needed to invest a few months in the company before I would understand their business well enough to help with their problems; I didn&#039;t want to do that for free, and they didn&#039;t want to risk the cash on me.


&lt;blockquote&gt;I want companies to stop thinking the talent isn&#039;t out there&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think this is just a form of whining, as much as &quot;It&#039;s not fair that I don&#039;t have a job.&quot; If companies spent more money on recruiting and on candidates they would find more; if they spent more on hiring, they would filter better; end of story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think that if I&#8217;m qualified to work at Microsoft, I&#8217;m qualified to work anywhere</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely you mean &#8220;within a certain subfield&#8221;. Do you think you&#8217;re qualified to captain a boat? Or work on an oil rig?</p>
<blockquote><p>hiring problem</p></blockquote>
<p>Two thoughts.</p>
<p>One: if you read Hacker News, you saw Dominic Connor&#8217;s piece in the Telegraph, linked last week. I clicked thru to his other Telegraph pieces after that; he admits that HR people at large banks do not know about IT; they look up questions online and try to spot liars. They see their job as &#8220;protecting management&#8221; from those whose CV&#8217;s had the right keywords but were just lying. Obviously the system underlying all of that is not meant to deal with individual candidates with unique traits; it views candidates as a mass of keywords and valued norms (such as &#8220;continuous employment at increasing levels of seniority&#8221;) and then adds on a crude filter. Welcome to large organisations.</p>
<p>The second is something I noticed in myself years ago and that I continue to notice in graduates. The messages one gets in school are largely incompatible with what employers want. Studying hard, identification with the subject matter one has struggled with (who in business has any idea what it means to hire someone from low-dimensional topology versus a harmonic analyst?), and information about &#8220;the real world&#8221; coming from journalistic publications (hype) rather than careerists <i>in situ</i> (good information) all had a deleterious effect on my early career.</p>
<blockquote><p>unfair</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not really the company&#8217;s problem, is it? Say you were running a business, are you going to hand out charity jobs because it&#8217;s the nice thing to do? Or are you trying to solve your own problems.</p>
<blockquote><p>contracting</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, this sounds like a great idea. But maybe there&#8217;s some reason HR doesn&#8217;t do it so often. I remember one firm that was iffy about me wanted to do a contract job to start, but neither I nor the hiring manager could figure out a short-term intersection between my skills and the company&#8217;s needs &mdash; I needed to invest a few months in the company before I would understand their business well enough to help with their problems; I didn&#8217;t want to do that for free, and they didn&#8217;t want to risk the cash on me.</p>
<blockquote><p>I want companies to stop thinking the talent isn&#8217;t out there</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is just a form of whining, as much as &#8220;It&#8217;s not fair that I don&#8217;t have a job.&#8221; If companies spent more money on recruiting and on candidates they would find more; if they spent more on hiring, they would filter better; end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundey Leighty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sundey Leighty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. A the owner of an executive search firm, I can&#039;t tell you how well this resonates in my ears. It&#039;s one thing for me (a third party recruiter) to try to explain to certain clients how many great candidates have been, ”passed on” during the interview process...but it&#039;s another thing to hear a valuable, qualified (the proof IS on the pudding) candidate testify to his personal experience and ultimate triumph! Great work, and best of luck to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. A the owner of an executive search firm, I can&#8217;t tell you how well this resonates in my ears. It&#8217;s one thing for me (a third party recruiter) to try to explain to certain clients how many great candidates have been, ”passed on” during the interview process&#8230;but it&#8217;s another thing to hear a valuable, qualified (the proof IS on the pudding) candidate testify to his personal experience and ultimate triumph! Great work, and best of luck to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abhishek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you can elaborate your experience on &quot;the developer blog I helped start at my old company&quot;. I have started a developer blog in my company but can&#039;t convince developers to write on it enough. 

Your ideas may help many companies like us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can elaborate your experience on &#8220;the developer blog I helped start at my old company&#8221;. I have started a developer blog in my company but can&#8217;t convince developers to write on it enough. </p>
<p>Your ideas may help many companies like us.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xavier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh I get it so a potential Microsoft hiree shouldn&#039;t be automatically discarded.

Which is also completely false. Microsoft culture is greatly incompatible with Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook or Rackspace. Those companies are moved by fast-pace  innovation and are they are dynamically similar to a start-up. 

Microsoft average profile is much similar Oracle&#039;s and IBM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I get it so a potential Microsoft hiree shouldn&#8217;t be automatically discarded.</p>
<p>Which is also completely false. Microsoft culture is greatly incompatible with Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook or Rackspace. Those companies are moved by fast-pace  innovation and are they are dynamically similar to a start-up. </p>
<p>Microsoft average profile is much similar Oracle&#8217;s and IBM.</p>
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		<title>By: Large companies make one big mistake when hiring &#124; We Always Have The LOWEST Pharmacy Online-Offers &#187; Zaditor Online Without Prescription</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Large companies make one big mistake when hiring &#124; We Always Have The LOWEST Pharmacy Online-Offers &#187; Zaditor Online Without Prescription]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] results from hiring. It is much better to take a democratic approach and let the majority decide. I&#039;m guessing that a lot of tech companies have an approach where each person who interviews a poten...  I just went through the interview process with a bunch of big software companies in the Seattle [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] results from hiring. It is much better to take a democratic approach and let the majority decide. I&#039;m guessing that a lot of tech companies have an approach where each person who interviews a poten&#8230;  I just went through the interview process with a bunch of big software companies in the Seattle [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Randall,

I liked your article very much - it was kinda a philosophical essay.
Some people got it wrong an started bitching around and showing their antipathy for certain companies. That&#039;s a waste of time and space in this blog.
As you say, it&#039;s mostly hard to get a chance to show where you are good at. And this is a source of frustration for the applicant. But maybe the applicant should realize this and show, that he can also learn and adapt to a recruitment style he or she doesn&#039;t like.
But of course it would be nice to get the chance to show talent and ambition more easy - but it&#039;s hard for companies to spend this effort.
Cheers, Oli]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Randall,</p>
<p>I liked your article very much &#8211; it was kinda a philosophical essay.<br />
Some people got it wrong an started bitching around and showing their antipathy for certain companies. That&#8217;s a waste of time and space in this blog.<br />
As you say, it&#8217;s mostly hard to get a chance to show where you are good at. And this is a source of frustration for the applicant. But maybe the applicant should realize this and show, that he can also learn and adapt to a recruitment style he or she doesn&#8217;t like.<br />
But of course it would be nice to get the chance to show talent and ambition more easy &#8211; but it&#8217;s hard for companies to spend this effort.<br />
Cheers, Oli</p>
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